Is It Over?

It’s over but who won? Not Theresa and the Tories – they had the setback of all time. Not Labour, they can’t form a government. Not the still-born Liberal comeback. Nor the SNP who dropped dramatically. Even UKIP lost their most important seat – on Question Time…

The UK sure didn’t win –we are now a weakened nation days from begining talks that will define our world and economic role for generations to come.

So can I first say thanks a lot to Theresa for screwing up so spectacularly and, of course, to Dave for getting so horribly wrong before her. And, yet again, thanks a million to the Scots who voted against their own independence when the chance arose, consigning us to a footnote in the decline of Great Britain as a serious western country.

We have now given support to parties who would deny us the basic democratic right of deciding our own national destiny, enshrined in the UN Convention. Courageous, adventurous Scots, turning away from the one way of extricating ourselves from looming disaster. And, by voting for Conservatives, some have approved a brutalised, cut-down, punitive state telling foreigners they’re not wanted. No wonder they were punching the air in Aberdeen, Moray and the Borders. That’ll show the world…

I suspect what it will show to Brussels is that Scots aren’t really much bothered by EU membership after all and certainly not worthy of making a special case of, unlike Northern Ireland where the prominence of the DUP in Westminster will ensure, along with the EU’s own negotiating stance, that the interests of Ulster will be key to the Brexit process to safeguard its interests. Scotland is now slipping off that radar.

The only chance we might have to celebrate is a change of Tory leader and a much more emollient and intelligent approach to an EU deal, involving full access to the market and the customs area.

I’m not holding my breath because she hasn’t resigned and if she did we might be faced with Boris Johnson – it’s a procession of Tory clowns. But there’s no doubt it’s a chance to rethink this whole Screw Europe strategy. As one writer put it – if Remain had won by four per cent and immediately joined the Euro and Schengen, what would Leavers have said then? That’s the equivalent of where May’s ruthless strategy has led us.

I am pleased the Tories got stung and pleased that Corbyn was able to blast back at the discrimination he’s faced and the disgraceful media onslaught he’s suffered. How revealing that, when guaranteed consistent coverage by broadcast election rules, he was able to emerge as a likeable and credible character. Mind you, only a fool would believe his offer. Corbyn is not reversing the Tory benefit cuts and his party voted for the rapacious Tory spending reductions. Funding for renationalisation of rail and paying off student debt look very shaky.

Today’s delicious irony is Kezia claiming credit for seats won on the back of the man she publicly despised. Shameless hypocrisy – she’ll make a politician yet.

The theme I think is a backlash against complacency. Voters will not be taken for granted and Theresa May did that by blatant opportunism in calling an election assuming she would win – and with transparent slogans – after saying she wouldn’t go to the country. In Scotland the SNP jumped too soon into indyref2 mode assuming too much about Brexit. It was wishful thinking and looked opportunistic, giving not only a Unionist stick to beat them with but weaponising a widespread sense that they were getting above themselves. There were just too many of them in too many places. It didn’t seem right and frankly 95 per cent of seats on 50 per cent of the vote is obscene, albeit part of the system. Under PR this configuration with all main parties represented would be close to what we could expect.

Don’t take us for granted is the message, we’ll decide who we want to vote for. And I think it is an anti-SNP vote because the seats lost went to the most likely to defeat the Nat. It isn’t a pro-Tory vote or pro-Labour but anti-Nat. So drop the referendum idea? I don’t think so.

The SNP won the Scottish election asking for a mandate. It was approved in parliament. It has been endorsed again last night by the majority. More fundamentally, Brexit means our future is up for grabs and a hard Brexit could cripple Scotland. It is suicidal and irresponsible to remove the option of escaping Brexit by leaving the UK. And if, at this time of maximum national peril, the SNP puts short-term gain ahead of Scotland’s interest, then what is it for as a party?

Look out for EVEL being cynically repealed by the way. If the Tories can only govern by votes in Scotland and Northern Ireland, they can’t win votes on key areas of policy from which we are excluded. Imagine if they got rid of it now there are a handful of Tory MPs in Scotland…

Time for a post mortem and for reflection – as well as thanks to those who lost their seats. But not time for dejection. This looks like a rebalancing after the tsunami and the SNP remains the biggest party, the government in Scotland and the national leaders. (Labour are celebrating coming third !) Labour indy supporters returned to their party because of Corbyn and aided inadvertently the Tories but they are still indy supporters. Kezia misreads the result. We remain on track.

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51 thoughts on “Is It Over?

  1. Balanced reflection but I’d suggest a couple of additional points to consider.

    Voters are fickle and everyone is sick of hearing about politics. It’s pushed down our throats every day by the media and it’s just not interesting. I suspect the true MSM agenda is to create voter apathy rather than to destroy the opposition. That’s probably more insidious than we believe.

    We made a mistake going for another Indyref on the back of the Brexit vote and have now paid the price. See above – people just don’t like going to the polls. The irony is we’ll end up with another election within six months.

    We need to focus on the practicalities of independence so we have the answers to the critics who oppose it. And we need to shelve any notion of another referendum on independence until we have public support for independence – preferably over 60%. When the public believes independence is a better option, they will vote for it. The referendum should just be a rubber stamp, not a hopeful throw of the dice.

  2. “… In Scotland the SNP jumped too soon into indyref2 mode assuming too much about Brexit. It was wishful thinking and looked opportunistic, giving not only a Unionist stick to beat them with…”

    Or to take another point of view, fulfilled a pledge from a manifesto that saw them voted into power in Scotland.

    35 seats is disappointing; however, their is more opportunity in the political landscape with the Tories hobbled and Brexit undermined, both of which are good things in themselves. Who’s to say that the indyref2 push isn’t a major part of what forced May’s hand? And where at the time were the strong voices in the indy movement decrying that push?

    I feel too that the terrorist incidents in the campaign’s closing weeks sent voters running to safety.

    Britain’s identity crisis comes in large part from the rise of Germany into a position of dominance in Europe. The irony is that the answer from Britain’s incompetent governing classes – Brexit – makes the problem as Britain sees it much worse, much faster.

    So yes, Derek, well said. They ain’t out of the woods yet, and they’re not even going in the right direction.

  3. Cheerful stuff Derek, bruised but unbowed.

  4. I woke up feeling like the 19th September, but on further thought I’m thinking definitely a different feeling. Mild regret, but not the despair.

    I think we are seeing electorates punishing hubris. Brexit, Hilary, Theresa May and sadly to a smaller extent the SNP. “Don’t take me for granted”. In many ways this is refreshing because it is democracy at its best.
    We are going to have to endure some crowing from Ruth etc and there is some humble pie to be eaten by Nicola. But Ruth is good at hubris so her turn will come – hopefully when it matters most. Our day will come.

  5. “We remain on track.” I hope you’re right and we haven’t been shunted into a siding.

    “by voting for Conservatives, some have approved a brutalised, cut-down, punitive state telling foreigners they’re not wanted” I really cannot get my head round how people could vote to have their own throats cut, but, just as in Brexit most of those voting to leave the EU were the very people who’d benefitted enormously from it so in Scotland many who have thrived due to the more enlightened SG have voted against.

    It’s not pc to blame the voters and their stupidity, but, our very limited democracy means we really should educate ourselves about the issues and see through the mendacity of many politicians, their accomplices in the media and their billionaire paymasters who shovel money into the Tory coffers, while the likes of the Greens are run on a shoestring. Too many seem to have been hypnotised by simplistic cliched slogans appealing to the basest of human motivations. Voters have to up their game.

    Ours is a corrupt and corrupting political system, but somehow we have to get our message about Independence out there into the body politic and the message about the brutality, self-interest and incompetence of the other main UK parties. We too have to up our game.

  6. “We remain on track.”

    No disrespect, Mr Bateman, but that is pie in the sky nonsense.

    We bottled it in 2014, and the Scottish people bottled it again last night. The pride and dignity of this nation, if it ever existed, is gone. The best of us emigrated years ago, and I don’t blame them.

    If we were ever serious about independence, we would have embraced it in 2014.

    We have chosen oblivion, happy to be a little backwater, waving our little saltires and shouting about Scotland the brave, but when push comes to shove, we roll up the white flag.

    We did nothing about the oil money being stolen from us. Nothing about being pulled out of the EU against our will, and we will continue to do nothing in the future as the UK slides into managed decline.

    We deserve everything we get. If it sounds bleak, then too bad. We wanted that, we voted for it, we’re getting it.

    Every society gets the democracy and the leaders it deserves.

    Scotland RIP.

    • Get a grip My Cocaine. You neglect to mention that support for independence has increased from around 25 per cent to an all time high at around the high 40 per cent in the polls in less than a decade, including 45 per cent in the first independence referendum. You give up if you want too, others won’t.

      • Who cares what the support is at if the mechanism to deliver it i.e an SNP majority, is not there.

        • 35 seats of 59 isn’t a majority? 60% of all seats in Scotland isn’t a majority? Get back to school mate, that’s primary one or two to be clear.

    • Heidstaethefire

      The fundamentals remain much the same. We go again when the public are ready. Brexit hasn’t even begun to kick in yet. Go and lie down for a while. You’ll feel better.

    • How true that is. We are becoming Americanised zombies.

  7. jeans-jacques

    Its over until August when we will have UK GE 2017 2.0 accompanied by Sterling crisis, Housing
    Crash and Stagflation.

  8. philip maughan

    A second GE looks highly likely with a Tory minority Government propped up by the DUP, so not a great negotiating situation regarding an EU Brexit deal. Yanis Varoufakis wrote in The Times a few weeks ago that he thought the best option for the UK in the short term is simply to join EFTA and so accept all EU rules while a longer term deal is thrashed out. Meanwhile a second GE will probably be fought with Brexit front and centre and the ‘No to a second independence referendum’ mantra of the Tories won’t cut much ice.

  9. Only our second best result ever in a Westminster election! We’re still Number 1 with almost 60% of the seats. We’re disappointed because our expectations were much higher.

    I helped with the telephone canvassing for the Ochil and South Perthshire seat and, of those who would tell me, there were several reasons for not voting SNP this time.

    1. Fed up hearing about IndyRef / too much focus on it by the SNP and just want it to go away. Some people are just not ready for IndyRef 2 yet but they will be.
    2. Voted to leave the EU and don’t support the SNP on its EU stance.
    3. Against immigration.
    4. No point voting SNP in a Westminster election as they can’t form the government.
    5 Don’t like the SNP candidate – in this case Tasmina Ahmed Sheik.

    As others have said, Brexit has not yet hit. When it does we should get a lot of these voters back but we certainly can’t take them for granted. We need to up our game and provide a much more compelling narrative about the benefits of an independent Scotland and the dangers of remaining within the UK.

    Those who want stability and a return to “normal” politics are not going to get it.

    • I was canvassing in the leafy parts of Edinburgh South and these were the same types of arguments I was getting from No voters too, except for the last one of course. I also didn’t hear much about immigration.

      Obviously I don’t agree with them, but at the same time I can see their point of view, that 55% having voted No three years ago, and the polls not having shifted since, it is arrogant and high-handed of the SNP to keep pushing indyref2. You don’t make yourself popular pushing a highly unpopular policy that alarms substantial numbers of people.

      Derek is right though to conjecture that the SNP pushing the vote for a second referendum in the Scottish Parliament could have been part of what rattled May into the snap election.

      • It is well known people are incredibly poor at projecting themselves into the future. The media successfully painted it as wanting a second IndyRef now, whereas NS is pushing for it because she knows it takes two years to set up. She is hedging her bets that two years from now people will feel differently, and I am inclined to agree. Ruth and Theresa do too, otherwise why so scared? I actually think Brexit will be worse than predicted as it will be a self sustaining downward spiral. This election result has made it even worse – Tories turbo charged by the DUP and no room for the government to maneuver.

        The Tories and DUP will block a second referendum, but to break free you need a head of steam, a pressure build up in society, a feeling of resentment and a fear that there won’t be another chance. Blocking an indyref will add to this, just let it simmer.

        • What’s the route out if the Tories just keep on saying “now is not the time”?

          The UK can’t survive without Scotland’s exports and the massive new oilfields propping up the UK credit rating. The higher support gets for it, the less likely they are to agree to it.

          The hard right Tories were happy/keen to have a no deal Brexit, even before the DUP was involved. Disaster capitalism works out fine for the 1%, their money is mobile. These were the people who funded the Brexit campaign.

          The DUP want a Brexit with a hard border. The ROI and EU have said no Brexit deal with a hard border. So if this Tory-DUP government lasts, there will be a no deal Brexit. Support for independence will rise, but what is the route out of the UK?

          If there is a no deal Brexit, there will be no pressure the EU can put on the UK to stop them breaking international law and agree to Scotref. What is to stop the UK government, whether Tory or Labour, saying “never is the time” The tories were right on one thing – the oil is a burden. Just like with the McCrone report, the secret oilfields were known about before indyref.

          Far right billionaire brexiteers used the different rules on political donations in NI to funnel money through the DUP to be used in the Brexit campaign in the mainland UK. The DUP could’ve got more out of it than they’d dreamed of. Much good it will do their voters.

          The UK state and the billionaire paper owners et al would never let Corbyn last long enough for there to be a chance of him getting pressured into agreeing to a referendum. And he knows a referendum could end his government and tank the rUK economy. He’ll also know the best chance of real democracy in the rUK is an independent Scotland, but he’d have kept stalling on Scotref. Corbyn could have done next to F all about austerity because he wouldn’t have been allowed to stay PM long enough. He’d have relied on SNP MP votes and blocked Scotref till he was got out.

          Even if there is another GE, Corbyn in power won’t get us Scotref. Under the Tories or Blairite Labour 10 years of 90% for Yes in the polls won’t get us to Scotref after a no deal Brexit. So how do you vote yourself out of a false democracy? What is our route out of the UK? Is there a better option than waiting for things to get so bad that enough people will vote for a UDI mandate in the hope that EFTA will have us? Would EFTA have us after UDI? And who is there to pressure the UK state to accept it if we did? I’m not well read on this, and I’m being a voice of doom here on a day when people need hope. I’m hoping that someone will put me right. What is our route out? How do you vote yourself out of a false union and a false democracy?

          • Oops, got that all wrong about DUP wanting a hard border – my head was scrambled by GE sleep deprivation. Still think we’re at risk of a no deal Brexit and “never is the time” if this coalition lasts.

  10. Why would EVEL be repealed? The result in England is Con 297, Lab+Lib+Grn 235. Tory majority, they can get their English only legislation through easily.

  11. No need to panic. It was inevitable that the success of 2015 would not be repeated. Moreover a surprise mid term election interrupted by terrorist incidents was always going to make it harder than normal for the SNP. However, a few lessons can be learned

    The campaign was weak. The SNP can’t get away with relying on goodwill any longer. It has to give serious thought to fighting on its chosen ground.

    The loss of SNP seats and votes outwith the central belt indicates it has taken the eye of the ball as far as rural Scotland is concerned. It’s great to have broken into the central belt but that cant come at the price of losing other parts of the country. This is particularly bad when considering the likely impact of Brexit on rural areas. the SNP vote in those areas should be increasing not declining.

    The bounce indicated in the polls immediately after the brexit vote last summer has not continued. However, that does not mean that things are going backwards. Rather brexit has not actually occurred yet and when it does people will feel the effects.

    A Lot has happened in the last 3 years. A lot more is going to happen in the next 4 years, most of it brexit related. We thought we were going to have a massive may majority leading us over the brexit cliff but we now have a frankenstein monster co-alition propped up by god botheirng bigots in bowler hats. That’s a car crash waiting to happen.

    As long as we keep the heid and think long term we can win. No rash decisions or polcy u-turns please. Well thought out strategy is required. As my old French teacher used to say reculer pour mieux sauter!

  12. Alex Salmond is not perfect, not by a long shot, but after everything he’s done for Scotland, he gets booted out, but a lying sack of s**t like Carmichael gets re-elected…

    That’s Scotland for you.

    • Have to agree. Salmond and Robertson, hard working, principled, no stinting. I’m ashamed, truly ashamed that these two internationally respected men have been screwed over by the voters.

      I agree with most of what Derek is saying. I can see nothing positive in this, and I’m in SNP. I won’t be surprised if indyref2 is formally removed by SNP.

      I’m literally stunned we are now in a situation where we will be jerked around by the DUP. Welcome to the dreamed of Ulsterisation, the lodges must be party planning.

    • You are angry like the rest of us, Like the referendum result we recovered from that and we will again. Keep reading these blogs it helps

  13. Good summry Derek and TheStrach has it spot on.

  14. I’m sitting in a cave, quietly watching a spider trying to spin it’s web. It tries, tries, and tries again. And then the web is complete.

    We’ve had setbacks before. We’ve been down before. We’ve come back, wiser, better able to win the day. That’s what we need to do now. I’ve said I felt the SNP took a knife to a gun fight in this campaign. This time we have to learn and become far sharper. And that starts now. The next election could well be a lot closer than we think. We have to be ready and not scrambling to fight on terrain the others have chosen for us.

    Remember the spider.

  15. Words and the way they are used are crucial .
    Instead of announcing a referendum in 2019, we should have stated that there would be no referendum until the details of the Brexit deal are known, when the SNP would then make a decision as to how they would the new situation.
    I am aware that this amounts to much the same thing, but as I stated above, it’s the way you tell them!

  16. It’s ridiculous to say that the SNP didn’t win.

    Now that I’ve had some sleep I feel a little less down about the outcome of that utterly pointless election. Even though the SNP were expecting substantial losses in terms of seats, it’s hard to take when it comes to actual people, such as Angus Robertson and Alex Salmond. But, with my mind refreshed, I realise that the SNP has strength in depth. I recall the contest for Depute Leader and how we had four candidates for that role who could barely be separated in terms of their qualities and abilities. And I recognise that a similar situation arises as we are forced to think about who will replace Angus. I can easily think of two candidates right away. And there’s probably more.

    I am also eager to stress that, while we lost some seats and some stars, we won the election. We won! Keep telling yourself that. More importantly, keep telling everyone else. Because the British establishment’s narrative will be that the SNP was trounced. They’re already busy crowning Ruth Davidson – again! – despite the fact that the British Conservative & Unionist Party in Scotland (BCUPS) came a very distant second. They don’t care how ridiculous they look. And Ruth Davidson certainly doesn’t mind playing the clown for the British ruling elites. She gets the attention she craves and the media have to make like they take her seriously so as to maintain the whole pretence.

    It’s all about undermining the legitimacy of Scotland’s democratic institutions. That is their purpose. Only if we recognise that can we defend against it.

    We won! And, in doing so, we incidentally affirmed the Scottish Government’s mandate for a new independence referendum. Not because the SNP was looking for such affirmation. The SNP has always respected the will of the Scottish people and the Scottish Parliament. The mandate was affirmed because the British parties insisted that the result of the election would be a verdict on their policy of denying the democratic right of self-determination that is wholly vested in the people of Scotland. Those people have, quite rightly and totally unsurprisingly, rejected that policy.

    The result of the election was a decisive win for the SNP, with almost 50% more seats than all the anti-democratic British nationalist parties combined. #ScotRef is on!

    As for our depleted representation at Westminster, well, they may be diminished in numbers, but not in quality. I have total confidence that the 35 will continue to be Scotland’s bulwark against the depredations of a vicious Tory British state to the fullest extent that they are able given the fact that the British state treats them as second-class MPs – also part of the effort to delegitimise Scotland’s democratic institutions. We have very capable people among that 35. They will do their job.

    The others won’t. One of the positive things about the British nationalists winning more seats is that it will now become even more evident how the British political elite discriminates against the Scottish (SNP) MPs who are there to represent their constituents and country and the British MPs who are there to represent their party and a political system which favours the few at the expense of the many.

    We won. This is just one more stage in the process of bringing Scotland’s government home. We’re still marching!

    • ‘…it will now become even more evident how the British political elite discriminates against the Scottish (SNP) MPs who are there to represent their constituents and country and the British MPs who are there to represent their party and a political system which favours the few at the expense of the many.’

      Mr Bell, as usual, I agree with much of what you say.

      Regarding the above extract from your penultimate paragraph, I wonder how these shortcomings you state can be informed to the populace when there is no independent mass media?

      • It would certainly help if certain sections of the Yes movement were to stop acting as a megaphone for the British establishment’s propaganda machine. But I despair of that ever happening. The left-wing intellectual elite tends to be as limpet-like in its attachment to trendy tropes as the mainstream media is with its cosy consensus. Cliques will be cliques.

        We should certainly abandon naive notions about getting the traditional media on our side. We are told that by being nice to journalists we might persuade them to report the independence case honestly and give the Yes movement a fair hearing. Shite! It’s never going to happen. The British media is part of the structures of power, privilege and patronage which define the British state every bit as much as are the British political parties.

        We can only rely on our own resources. We must develop our own media. And we should not shy away from confrontation. We have to be prepared to challenge the lies with all the vigour we can muster. Let’s not get hung up on an obsession with being ‘positive’ that prevents us from going on the offensive against the enemies of truth.

        Let’s get angry!

  17. Nearly 2/3rds of Scots voted for parties whose sole policy was block indyref2,and a third of Scots voted for parties who support it.

    • Robert Graham

      Point being ? – 35 seats by most calculations is more than 24 so what’s your point .

      • His point is that we ignore public opinion at our peril.

        Tread warily.

        • Of course, but this was NOT a referendum, nor was it a proxy-referendum despite what the BBC MSM and Unionist parties tried to make it.

          SOME of those who voted against the SNP will Be NO 2nd Ref voters.
          Some will have just supported their parties’ policies
          Some will have been taken in by the misdirection of the media
          Some will not have cared about anything

          Don’t compare apples and oranges.

          That said, now is the time to use the high quality MPs who were not selected and take a long hard look at what we did wrong and make plans to get it right. We have had these bumps before, and to be honest I don’t think we’ve learned enough from them. I don’t think there will be a third chance.

    • And which party of those 4 supports proportional representation, would abolish the HoL and proposes many other progressive policies which several of these other parties flatly reject?

      The Unionist parties sole policy was to block Indyref2 as you say, but this was an entirely false proposition as the Scottish Parliament had already voted in favour. They were trying to subvert the democratic will of the SP. So voting Tory will have no effect on that, but will result in a multitude of unforeseen consequences which are already becoming apparent as May jumps into bed with the DUP, a repulsive group. Voters who switched to May’s Scottish Poodles are about to find out that what they wished for is not what they got.

  18. I feel greatly relieved that May didn’t get the kind of majority that would have easily enabled her to dismantle the Scottish Parliament which I am sure is part of the Tory plan.

    I met several No voters whilst canvassing in Edinburgh South who told me that they had initially welcomed the Scottish Parliament but now regretted supporting it and felt that it had only made Scotland and Scottish politics worse.

    I really think we should be taking such views as a warning and proceed very cautiously.

    Now that I have had some sleep it is clearer to me that Corbyn’s popularity has caused a drift back to Labour and caused us to lose some seats and some popularity.

    The Corbyn bounce apart, I also think a number of people have supported Labour for Westminster because they have figured out that though the SNP might have been an ‘effective’ opposition at Westminster in terms of PMQs, their inability to either form a government there or form an alliance with a party that could (i.e., Labour) has meant that they are unable to win anything in the way of betterment for Scotland and that only a U.K. party can deliver that.

    I still think that May can damage the Scottish Parliament as a minority government especially when aided by the DUP.

    I don’t know if anybody has noticed it but NI is now polarised completely into two, between DUP and Sinn Fein (plus a single independent), nationalist and unionist. With Stormont still suspended the future of Stormont is now in doubt. The SDLP have gone, as have UUP.

    If direct rule can be imposed on NI – which is what DUP would appear to want – then it could in Scotland too re a rebooted Scottish Office.

    What a mess.

  19. Robert Graham

    Time for the SNP to confront the BBC, this government organisation are not friends , so drop any kind of cooperation with them, The disgusting way they again conducted their coverage of the election framing the Questions around devolved issues , and managing to confuse the electorate . They bent over backwards to assist any and all of the Unionist party’s, This habit that they have got into of interrupting half way through any answer must be stopped, if it takes walking out or politely asking the hostile interviewer if they want to answer the questions as well as asking the questions, if it’s not stopped they will carry on .

  20. Pentland Firth

    The SNP’s election campaign was an unmitigated disaster, and the only thing surprising about the outcome is that it was not worse. Any election “victory” that sees the loss of Robertson, Salmond, and Nicolson, and the party almost wiped out in the North East is a Pyrrhic one indeed.
    The party assumed, (wrongly as it turned out), that May’s Tories would win a landslide and asked the Scottish people to vote for it in order to provide a strong voice for Scotland in Westminster, but everyone knew that such voices would be drowned out by the baying of the putative massive Tory majority. The main theme of the campaign was, in short, vacuous drivel, and consequently failed to inspire. The emptiness of thee campaign was summed up for me by the weird election broadcast which left me, and I’m sure many others, totally mystified.
    It would have been far better to offer people a positive reason to vote SNP by placing front and centre of the campaign the hope of a better future after ten years of rising inequality and, for many, falling living standards. Large numbers of people, in all areas of the country and virtually all backgrounds, are simply fed up with life in Austerity Britain, and would have reached out to a party offering credible hope. Corbyn did what we should have done, and, despite the deadweight of SLAB clinging to his campaign, reaped the rewards.
    A commitment to hold Indy Ref2 undoubtedly played well with committed nationalists, but to many it simply added an additional layer of uncertainty to what was already a worryingly uncertain future. David McCann’s comments above about how the argument was framed badly by the SNP are, in my opinion, on the money. I know of folk who have voted SNP for decades who were turned off by what came across as (and was portrayed by the Unionists and their friends in the MSM) an angry demand for an independence referendum in the very near future amidst all the uncertainty of Brexit. These people either didn’t vote yesterday or voted for another party. I fear there were many others unknown to me of the same mind.
    Let us all reflect long and hard about yesterday’s vote and learn the correct lessons. We cannot afford any more missteps. We can and must win this.

    • My thoughts entirely.

      In our defence, the snap election was sprung on us and caught us on the hop. We misread the challenge and the situation which was correctly read by Corbyn.

      The plain fact is that Brexit never was about Brexit. The Brexit election was therefore never about Brexit. It was about the British people (and by that I mean everybody on these islands affected by decades of Tory austerity) rebelling against rising insecurity and inequality. A narrow coterie of right wing extremists with their own funny wee agenda to capture the British state tried to scapegoat the EU for the ills they themselves had placed on the country.

      And it’s failed.

      It now remains for political leaders to bring the country and the government together by the solution proposed by Yannis Yaroufakis in the Times recently of simply joining EFTA and be done with it.

      • MBC: we can’t just join EFTA. We have to be accepted by them. The UK is extremely unlikely to be accepted as this would completely unbalance the organisation in exactly the same way that England unbalances the UK.

        If you think that Iceland, Lichtenstein, Norway and Switzerland with a combined population of 13.4 mil would welcome UK’s 65 mil, you need to sit back and rethink. An iScotland would be welcome, I’m sure as it would have a population slightly higher than Norway and a couple of million shy of Switzerland.

        • My 15 year old grandson worked that one out in 2015. It is so obvious. Why can’t others see the sense of it.

  21. I think there is a far bigger picture here.

    What we have just witnessed in the past 24 hours is the failure of an extreme right wing coup to control the British government orchestrated by the likes of Murdoch and Farage to push the country into a far right eurosceptic extremist direction.

    Theresa May is a cypher whose attempt at imperium by enlarging her majority and entrusting the direction of this country to a small coterie (‘taking back control’) has failed.

    Corbyn and the left and her own ineptitude have succeeded in halting this trajectory.

  22. If you don’t want this then campaign for independence.

  23. Ah the deliciousness of EVEL wlping out the ToryDupe government’s ability to get very much done.

    How about some EVEL reciprocity, by rights there should also be SVSL so that (for example) only MPs from Scotland get to vote on legislative consent for a new Scottish independence referendum.

    Can’t see why not….

  24. If the SNP get feart over this and stop pursuing IndyRef2 then I say it has come time for the Yes movement to find a different vehicle to take us to Independence.

    I’m coming to the view that Sturgeon is too cautious. The SNP won their triple lock mandate, now is the time to push that mandate on a weakened PM. The Tories plus SNP plus PC plus Green is a huge majority to pass any legislation without the DUP.

  25. […] were other rays of sunshine.  Derek Bateman asked “Is It Over?” preposterously suggesting no one had won the election. He started by describing a country that is […]

  26. An alliance with the Tories? That really WOULD be a U-turn. Our Independence is worth *almost* any price, but propping up the Tories is too steep for me. Leave that sort of thing to Kezia.

  27. Westminster is about to face the reality of brexit The tories are hanging by an orange thread. The so-called united kingdom is about as stable as a jelly with Parkinsons – and it’s going to get worse. The election was a reset to a more realistic situation in Scotland concerning Westminster MPs. Now, more than ever, is time to push forward the independence agenda. I’d love to see SNPMPs refusing to give the English oath when the Westminster parliament resumes.

  28. Robert you have hit the nail on the head…the campaign the snp ran was lacklustre, insipid and frankly un appealing..silent adverts of children running around..all very lovely it’s subliminal message of children being the future..but you need to sort out a vindictive and pernicious BBC propaganda machine that will do everything to weaken and destabilise the scottish government for its own purposes…it’s obvious that talks are imperative with them to call out their bias and arrogant misrepresentation of the snp and indy supporters…it’s crucial, and needs to be dealt with, as bullies never back down unless confronted..I know from experience…nicola too mustn’t retreat as though the indy word is a sordid secret that shouldn’t be aired…reiterate it’s the same message as before we have voted in parliament, have a mandate for indy 2 a and when, we didn’t say now, emphasise that’s the Tory spin that’s been repeat for effect. And stand her ground……to capitulate or be on the Back foot now is a mistake that be hard to recover from…

    • This was a UK general election. It wasn’t about the Scottish Government. Thank goodness the SNP was aware of this. I’m sure designing the right campaign for the right election played a significant part in the party’s decisive victory.

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