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I have half an hour before going for the kids…some random thoughts.

I’m pleased about Neil Findlay standing for Labour leader because he is very direct, sounds authentic, has distinct left-leaning views and might be just what Labour needs.

Sarah Boyack offers a very different option with experience, intelligence and not a little grace.

I want to know which one will be first to declare the Hate the SNP campaign at an end. Until somebody does so and starts treating the party of government with respect in public, Labour will be trapped in old politics. It’s going to be hard enough finding space to reconstruct the party in a leadership race without being burdened by old baggage. A declaration that the SNP are ‘not our enemy’ and we will not oppose for the sake of it would be the most positive sign of change imaginable.

Jim Murphy standing would be a mistake for him and the health of Labour bringing a note of toxic Blair versus Real Labour poison we can do without.

One of Yes’s failures was to attack effectively the United Kingdom and how it works. Today we hear of chronic deficiencies in immigration policy that has become a death star of inaction and confusion as we draw more wanting to live here and as thousands of asylum cases have gone unchecked.

Many who fled here from desperate straights arrived seven years ago and don’t even have an initial assessment made – that is a shameful story for some of the most distressed and frightened people on earth who cannot even work while here. In fact, it’s a form of cruelty.

On the same day we hear how promises to treat wounded military personnel as a priority is also failing, leading to poor and delayed treatment for soldiers who have fought for the state. Some have waited years for the help they need. Funny how rashly the politicos offer to send our troops in yet are painfully slow in looking after them when they come home…

 

Here are three stories on the BBC news site which all tell the dismal tale of the UK financial sector to which we have all to genuflect….

Deutsche Bank swings to a loss in the third quarter because of higher legal costs to settle investigations.

                  ‘Rip-off’ payday loan broker warning NEWConsumers are warned to be wary of “rip-off” payday middlemen, after the NatWest bank reports that it is receiving hundreds of new complaints every day.

                  Yorkshire fined £4.1m over mortgagesYorkshire Building Society is fined £4.1m for failing to deal properly with customers who were falling behind on mortgage payments.

 

Lastly, I like Nicola Sturgeon’s style. There is a remorseless logic to her Four Nations EU Exit idea based on the UK’s own rhetoric of family of nations all respecting one another. Makes life tricky for the London parties – always a good thing in itself.

Britain is far from the fair society the Unionists claimed in the campaign and now we are armed with a mass of new evidence they provided to win the indyref…

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  1. And here’s a 4th story from the BBC that tells of the devastating impact of our intolerable levels of inequality:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29808608

  2. Yes, the main failing of the Yes campaign was deciding not to go on the offensive. The mantra about a positive campaign always beating a negative one was adhered to as if it were holy writ, when it manifestly wasn’t. Now, it actually makes it difficult to say, “I told you so.” Did we?

    Too little has been said about the non-event that was Yes Scotland itself. The grass-roots campaign was amazing, actually beyond anybody’s wildest dreams, and it was the grass-roots that achieved the 45%. But the grass-roots shouldn’t have been left unsupported, supplied with pathetically weak “newspapers” to deliver, and waiting in vain for the full-time salaried personnel actually to get off the starting blocks.

    I’d like to know a little more about all that.

    • Hi Morag.

      Early in the campaign after yet another “non-response” by the official YES Campaign, I ventured the idea that in fact Blair J. was a BBC/Union mole. I was given short shrift by more than a few posters. Although it was spoken partly in jest, I never was convinced about BJ or the Official YES performance. I do not know if the “positive always beats negative” was AS’s idea, or if it had been “suggested” to him, but there came a time in the later stages when a direct attack was needed, but it never came.

      Maybe I should put away my tin-foil hat!

    • Aplinal, I’ve been reluctantly wearing the same tinfoil hat for quite some time.

      When Blair Jenkins’ name was announced as the newly-appointed head of Yes Scotland, my thoughts (spanning approximately 90 seconds) were roughly this.

      1. Who’s he? I’ve never heard of him.
      2. I didn’t know anybody in the higher echelons of the BBC was a big independence enthusiast.
      3. This could be really smart, if it gives the Yes campaign insight into how the BBC operates and how to counter the inbuilt unionist bias.
      4. Oh God I hope he’s not a plant.
      5. Don’t be ridiculous.
      6. If I were MI5, and having known for many months that this appointment would come up, why wouldn’t I activate a “sleeper” and try to get him into that position?
      7. Don’t be ridiculous.

      I always assumed that our Yes campaign would be run by people as passionate about independence as I was. Good grief, such people are not hard to find, as demonstrated by the massive grass-roots campaign that sprang up. I expected to encounter real passion and commitment in Yes Scotland, but I never did. It wasn’t just Jenkins – even the woman who came to Galashiels to kick off Yes Borders seemed lukewarm to me.

      Blair Jenkins was pleasant and said all the right sound-bites, but never, to my mind, with real commitment. The establishment of the grass-roots campaign was a stroke of genius as it turned out, but I wonder if anyone could have predicted in advance just how all-pervasive that would become? And yet it seemed to be the ONLY strategy. It wasn’t enough, on its own.

      The grass roots needed support. People who wanted to set up local Yes shops needed funding – who knew they’d get it through Indiegogo? But Yes Scotland wasn’t prepared to chip in. People delivering literature needed good material, but the newspapers got weaker and weaker. A veteran SNP activist doing the next section to mine didn’t deliver the last paper because she was afraid it would LOSE us votes! And that woman is a leafleting machine.

      The web site was horrible, and really put people off. The shop was constantly running out of things, and many people (including me) had enormous trouble getting the things we ordered. In contrast volunteer suppliers like My Mutterings and the people distributing the Wings material got the stuff out efficiently.

      While we on Wings were busting our asses trying to get the Wee Blue Book produced and printed and distributed as widely as possible, the only substantial Yes Scotland booklet was apparently lying in a warehouse, undistributed. “Too heavy for the activists” apparently. Nobody asked us. The WBB wasn’t light, but we got it out. (Weight isn’t an issue if you’re doing rural routes by car, anyway.) I don’t know how many of the Yes booklet were printed or how many were left undistributed, but there should have been one really key item that we should have been geared up to deliver in the last three or four weeks. It didn’t happen and instead we got a folded poster.

      Look at the passion and commitment shown by the volunteers! In that I include the volunteer bloggers like Derek, and Bella, and NNS and all the rest, with Wings standing head and shoulders at the head of them. Also National Collective, and the shows at the Fringe, and people like Independence Live and Scotland Yet and Dateline Scotland and so on. The self-starting and self-financing volunteers did a hundred times what the official Yes Scotland organisation did, with all its millions. And what does Wings get for his pains, and for spending 2 years on a salary of less that £20,000 to keep the blog going? A dressing down from Blair Jenkins, allegedly on a 6-figure salary and certainly working less than half Wings’ hours.

      For many months the Yessers online believed the No campaign was firing its ammunition prematurely. Yes was waiting until people were paying attention to get properly into gear. We’re waiting till we see the whites of their eyes, was the belief. People talked about a “rope-a-dope” strategy. We were all waiting for Yes to come storming out of its corner in the last couple of months. For the heavyweight arguments to be deployed and the unionist lies to be exposed.

      It didn’t happen. Yes remained a punching bag right to the end.

      Yes activists were devastated on 19th September. Blair Jenkins took it rather well as far as I could see. He’d done the job and he’d been paid and the contract was up so he was moving on. No obvious grief, or not to me. Yes Scotland was wound up with almost indecent haste.

      Something about all this doesn’t smell quite right to me. There should have been someone with the commitment of Stu Campbell running Yes Scotland (though maybe with a slightly different skill set and approach). “Nobody is ever told what might have happened,” to quote C. S. Lewis. I don’t know if we’d have won with a campaign that was on the front foot and was prepared to call out the lies and the smears and the scares instead of rocking backwards and distributing bland, nicey-nicey material that avoided the hard questions. But considering how close we came with pretty much nothing but the grass-roots, “Aye Right” leaflets and the Wee Blue Book, I think we would.

      Obviously this is nothing but suspicion, and it could well be baseless. But for me it’s a suspicion that won’t go away.

      • Sorry, I don’t know why there were no line breaks in the list paragraph. I put them in!

      • You have expressed my own feelings exactly. And almost the same thought process. I doubt we will ever get to the truth of the matter.

        Next time this needs to be better, and Nicola is the one to do it.

        Tony Little

      • Well, I agree we probably have little chance of finding out for sure if there was a fifth columnist (or several) in Yes Scotland, but I think we should at least have the conversation. Someone may know something that helps sway our thinking in one direction or the other.

        • I’m prepared to bet a pretty large amount of money that there were several fifth columnists in Yes Scotland. The harm that the British ruling classes would have suffered from Scottish independence meant that, from Westminster’s point of view, sabotaging the pro-independence movement had to be done.

      • Especially, when is “next time”? Will there even be one? I’ll be 61 next month. I felt that 2014 was my time, my chance for independence within my productive lifetime. I now feel that has been squandered, and I’m having thoughts about who to blame.

      • Morag, I totally agree, and gave up trying to get a “rapid reaction” response unit set up to co-ordinate rebuttal of the smears and lies “Too Negative” I was told.

        I think that one thing you overlook is the poor quality of staff – as we used to say in business, first class people hire first class people, second rate people hire third rate people and you end up with disaster. I think that while there probably was some degree of infiltration, the even bigger issue was the poor quality of staff.

        This also applies to some of the SNP who, when interviewed, missed many an open goal. Every SNP minister, MP and MSP needs to be up to speed on all the issues that we Wingers took for granted. If they don’t know what the numbers are for Scotland’s finances, if they don’t know how fiat money works, or why Quantitative Easing is another scam. then they need to get to work right away.

      • That was a brilliant critique of the Yes campaign and reflects most peoples (certainly mine) opinion that the long awaited counter attack from the yes campaign never materialized which snatched defeat right out of the jaws of victory, the all pervading mantra of keeping it positive was the death of the movement and the way wings was marginalized in spite of all the evidence it was working was disgraceful you just had to look at the phenomenal hit rate which rocketed in the final weeks of the campaign showed clearly that a more robust approach was what people were yearning for.

        Aye Morag again I agree, Blair Jenkins “good loser” persona was just TOO reasonable for my liking, he behaved like the loser in a university debate where everyone shakes hands and no bloody noses in sight,

        That was a fight for the future of our country and the yes campaign sat back and left it all to the grass roots campaigners while swallowing up the vast sums of money raised for the wages of people who sat and criticized the ones who were prepared to get down in the gutter with our opponents and give as good as they got.

        Where were the OO bullies when we filled George Square with saltires had hundreds of cars drive through Glasgow to Pacific Quay and massed demonstrations outside the British Bullshit Corporations branch office NOWHERE,

        When we flexed our muscles the unionist rats dived for cover, they couldn’t believe their luck when the expected broadside never came,

        At the protest outside the BBC during the commonwealth games we had to walk back to our car outside the cordon sanitaire (god knows why) which was still in place hours after the games event which prevented cars getting near PQ we walked past two unionist pubs with the ubiquitous union flags hanging in front of them and the patrons and publican were outside the pubs as we filtered past with our saltires and the sullen silence of those people was indicative of a beaten campaign, they KNEW they had lost.

    • I totally agree with you Morag and I’m a little dismayed to find that some SNP branches are not already going at full throttle on the lead up to the GE next year. There seems to be no local leadship coming out of SNP when, in actual fact, we should already have plans and be leaving no stone unturned.

  3. Neil Findlay has already declared his HATRED of the SNP, at least he has made it clear on many occasions, in the many mouth running interviews he has given & the many complaints about the SNP, he also has Lamont’s knack of drawing the evil look when speaking about the SNP or any member of it. He will never change and for me could not be trusted.. Susan Boyack, at least can put a point across without the NASTINESS in either her voice or shown in her face… But for me, LABOUR as a whole should not be & can never be trusted again to have Scotland’s Interests at heart…

  4. Derek, much as I love your stuff, how the f**k can you describe Findlay as a ‘Leftie’ when he stated quite clearly his preference was for Gordon Brown? The man has no credibility ( applies to both BTW!)

  5. OUR LEGACY
    apart from £1.5trillion in debt we now learn of a £4.5trillion debt in pension funding and we will build HS2 fast rail for 20 minutes saving? SCOTLAND HAS TO GET OUT BEFORE THEY BRING US DOWN

  6. Derek, I love reading your stuff, so I apologies for coming on to say how much I agree with something said by someone else.
    Morag,thank heavens someone is not afraid to say what you just have. I was beginning to think it was just me.

    • No it’s not just you and Morag. It’s also little me. I agree. That mantra has been effectively proved wrong and was like something dreamed up by PR consultants. It doesn’t play to human nature at all.

      On the doorstep, while canvassing in a No voting area, it felt like a struggle to assail the comfortable assumptions of No voters, especially since those assumptions were bolstered by seemingly authoritative voices on TV and radio. They looked down their noses at a local nobody like me questioning the strength of the Union. I went with a file of articles printed off from various indy sites but it was an extremely hard sell. It was often apparent that No voters had never heard that the UK was corrupt and dysfunctional and despite the information presented therein it was immediately dismissed as if I was a doorstepping evangelical, proselytizing strange beliefs.

      Not attacking the manifest failures of the UK system and countering their blatant lies head-on left people with the impression that for the Union, there was no case to answer. Had this been done, as Morag says, we could at least be saying now, ” We told you so.”

      • PS Sorry to be a pesky pedant, but to correct my own comment, “if I were a doorstepping evangelical….”

      • In my opinion an attacking stance would have been counter productive. We would have been labelled ‘Winging Jocks’. When I compare the official Yes campaign to the nasty attacking negativity of BT and Jim Murphy’s antics, I personally feel proud that we didn’attack. But I think the gloves are off now. Let’s not fall into the Labour trap and start blaming pur own.

        • I hope most if not all read the piece on Bella about the death of Gough Whitlam and the parallels between Australia in the 70’s and Scotland today. (oh wash my mouth out etc etc).

          http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/10/28/its-time-the-independence-of-gough-whitlam/

          One of the statements that I particularly loved was that YES were technocolour while NO were black and white,

          Wouldn’t in be a brilliant epitaph, as well as bringing back the technocolour for a moment if we could somehow get It’s Time (the theme tune for the Australian Movement) to Number One

        • Muddy, it is one thing to refute lies and smears with evidence. This is not to descend to the level of Project Fear. It is precisely the conflation of evidence-based refutation of a lie with “attack” that was the downfall of many in the official YES camp.

          I would also say that we need to coordinate points against the British Nationalist Parties with evidence, not lies. Goodness knows, we have plenty of evidence.

        • The thing is MUDDY, we only got publicity as the NASTY side, so all the politeness of the YES team AND the SNP, was lost on the BBC & media in general. I was & still am thigh PROUD of the grassroots movement and how they did behave. Even when accused of silly things. I stopped my monthly direct debit to the Yes Camapign when BLAIR DISTANCED himself for WINGS, as in my opinion, WINGS did more for the YES side than the YES Official team. Next time round though, I DO want to see & hear a much firmer response and a much angrier challenge from all yessers. Politeness is ok! If you are being treated the same way. We never were, so let’s get angry for our next chance.

    • I’ve said quite a bit more, in the thread above. You might like to add your further thoughts.

      I would like to have this conversation. In many ways, I’d like to be reassured that my worst suspicions are wrong. But I think it’s something we should be allowed to discuss. If we were in fact shafted by a union-introduced plant (or several) at the heart of Yes Scotland, it’s a huge issue. The idea of the “British sense of fair play”, always a sick joke, would never recover.

      (I found it so odd, reading all these idiotic, ridiculous claims that the voting papers had been tampered with, and being roundly attacked when I pointed out that the tampering being proposed was actually impossible and demonstrably didn’t happen. And then if I remarked that MI5 or whoever was a lot more devious that that, and had anyone considered the remarkably lacklustre performance of the official Yes Scotland organisation, I was roundly attacked again.)

      Many years ago someone who had been at the heart of the Labour party and defected to the SNP in the early 1990s said something interesting to me. As well as telling me to assume my phone was tapped and my mail opened (I was an SNP branch secretary at the time), he told me that there were undoubtedly long-term “sleepers” inside the SNP, and some of them would be at quite a high level. I have no idea who such people might be, and I don’t know if my informant had either. But if the independence referendum isn’t the time to activate such sleepers, when is?

      I don’t suppose we’ll ever know for sure. But I don’t think it should be a taboo subject.

  7. I am at a loss Derek you are still supporting the SNP! Why? I realise I will be once more shot down in flames by your ‘followers’ but I really must protest. I have already posted on your blog about the Scottish Medicine Consortium who rubber stamp drugs as ok for Scottish consumption based on the manufacturers research. This was a ‘back door’ way in for multi national drugs corporations into our SNHS while the SNP were saying they were negotiating to make sure SNHS was safe from TTIP. Not only was this too late it was actively supported by the setting up of the SMC.(paid for by the Scottish taxpayer) Sturgeon who you ‘admire’ spoke on the TTIP about the benefits. She didn’t actually mention what the benefits were and more to the point who receives them. John Swinney has also spoken about the benefits and how it would be good for us. Let’s not beat about the bush, this is incorrect and to be supporting any kind of policy that give multi national corporations any power at all in Scotland is unacceptable. To me this is the SNP. They want to remain in Europe whilst talking of Scottish sovereignty – what a load of old tripe. We cannot have sovereignty if yet another tier of control is in place. iScotland in Europe would have about as much power as they have now, none and yet they are promoting TTIP. We should be encouraging the Scottish people that we have the power, we just need to sieze it back from the people we pay to represent us. I don’t attack labour tories because they are totally ineffectual anyway and don’t hold any power, even the ones who lean slightly left, i just ignore. Please see the facts below from the SSM and remember this was written before the referendum.

    ‘Misconception: The SNP are proposing to leave the sovereignty of Scotland in the hands of the bureaucrats in Brussels and the control of our monetary policy with the Westminster government. This cedes the sovereignty of Scotland’s people to the European Union and is a betrayal of those who strive for Independence. The reality is that Scotland with a population of 5.3 million would have less influence in the EU with a population of some 500 million than in the UK union with 63 million. The SNP are therefore not proposing sovereign independence for Scotland.
    ‘9. Sovereignty and the European Union
    Scotland would not be a sovereign (independent) state as a member state of the European Union (EU). The EU requires member states to cede a general right of law making on a permanent basis to EU institutions.
    As a member state in the EU (with a population of some 500 millions), Scotland (with a population of some 5.3 millions) would have less say than it currently has in the United Kingdom (population of some 63 millions).
    Sovereignty can be retained and trade can be maintained with European states without being a member of the EU; as demonstrated by Norway, Switzerland and Iceland.
    The 28-member EU is primarily a political union, and out-with the EU a variety of options are available for Scotland to freely trade with all 50 European states, including EU member states, as well as all Commonwealth countries and all other global states.’
    It’s time Derek, to throw off the old politics and in with a workable solution to the Scottish question of independence constituted by the people not the politicians. If you get the chance of an interview with any of them please ask them what they are up to, I’d be interested to know the answer. I would urge any reader to look at this whole paper at the Scottish Sovereignty Movement.

  8. The grass-roots campaign was amazing, actually beyond anybody’s wildest dreams, and it was the grass-roots that achieved the 45%.

    Its even MORE amazing when you consider that, at the commencement of the campaign, the yesses were circa 30%!

    The SNP and its supporters couldn’t have done a more professional job in convincing a further 15% of Scots to change their allegiances. And, believe you me,there is nothing harder than trying to convince a dyed in the wool Scot to alter his mindset!!

  9. Isn’t life grand….

    We shoulda done this we shoulda done that!!

    If only we were more forceful in putting across arguments then blah blah blah.

    This is very much the discourse “doon the pub” efter a futba match that’s ended in defeat or even a draw when you felt like a victory was on the cairds and you could look forward ti the next roond o the cup

    Let’s be honest, the Yessers, a wee non league side, full o dreams, and a couple o class acts taking on the Nutters o the Premiership. Loads o cash and the power to scare the pants aff yi.
    We were playing away fae hame, (they controlled all the media). We took them all the way, and only lost on penalties when big Gordzilla with the help o a dodgy Refcord nicked it.

    The need to stick on a big centre forward and batter the Nutters might have worked. The result might have been better. It could also have been worse.

    We are where we are and there is big cup game coming up soon.

    Let’s keep the heid. Now we ken whut they are capable o and mair ti the point, whut we are capable o, it will be possible to get the victory for the people o Scotland this time aroond.

    • We knew what they were capable of four years ago. Indeed 40 years ago. Watch Diomhair for a start.

      We also knew what we were capable of. 2011 demonstrated it.

      Where was the strategic thought to combat what anybody with any grasp of the history of the British state and its response to independence movements would know was inevitably coming?

  10. Neil Findlay has been described as a lifelong socialist. Firstly, ‘being’ a socialist is a practical condition as well as theoretical badge to wear. Why then is he sitting in the Labour Party? Secondly, I have not heard anything intellectually groundbreaking or radical from this guy. I have heard him utter stock corporate Labour lines, make the right nouses about unions and workers rights (corpirate trade unionism is not in itself socialism), footer around with amendments to social justice policies ALREADY being pursued by the SNP, and…yip…badmouth the SNP. Thirdly, quite seriously this guy could be Scotland’s First Minister within 18 months. A guy who only put his name forward because his hero, Gordon Brown, chose not to declare. How can a lifelong socialist be enthralled by Gordzilla? This makes no sense to me. Like Lamont he is yet another Labour Party machine appartchik full of empty rhetoric without ever having to do the hard work of rocking business and the middle class by implementing an aggressively pursued socialist agenda. Frankly its nigh on IMPOSSIBLE for Labour in Scotland to out-score the SNP’s social democratic programme delivery with a deeper form of ‘socialism’ under devolution with Holyrood’s inherent power lever limitations.

    Leads me to my fourth and final point about any nascent ambitions by parts of the Labour Party in Scotland to ‘reclaim the left’. Two structral limitations render this, as I say, empty rhetoric. One, Labour currently exists across the UK to hold power at Westminster. It cannot countenance two distinct policy narratives across the UK. It is weak and insecure in the face of Fleet St scrutiny and appearing incoherent and ‘too left wing’. Labour in Scotland will ONLY be ALLOWED to pursue socialistic policies when the Party down south moves to the left. It really is that simple. The Tories have no such worries. Scotland is a barren Westminster hunting ground and they do not have a credible right of centre alternative pushing them up here with whom they need to vie for the natural conservative vote. Two, systemically what is the point promoting a socialist programme for Holyrood government, assuming approval from London HQ, when your own party is responsible for a wholly conservative and reactionary view as to what powers should accrue to Scotland (including the powers that would allow to pursue a socialist policy platform).

    So talk of Labour left or right in Scotland is irrelevant until such time the Scottish party gains its…independence.

    • Too true. I don’t suppose we will see him, or his likes, at the annual John MacLean rally to commemorate Scotland’s greatest socialist?

      The annual JOHN MACLEAN COMMEMORATION will take place on Sunday 30 November 2014.
      Meet 1pm at Eastwood Cemetery, Thornliebank Road Next to Thornliebank Railway Station, for short Graveside orations from Gerry Cairns (John Maclean Society) and Alan Stewart (International Officer, SRSM).
      There will then be a march from opposite the cemetery gates Thornliebank Rd. Boydston Rd to the John Maclean Cairn at Shawbridge Arcade. The march will move off at 1.30pm prompt.
      This will then be followed by a social/rally with speakers at the Shawbridge Tavern, 231 Shawbridge St.
      The lively band “Usquebaugh” will be playing.
      Anne Gomez, the Scottish folk singer (her recent album “Roch the Wind” includes the John Maclean March) has offered to sing.
      And there will be a magician, Amazin’ Jason Kelly.
      Please support this event.
      Admission £5. Children Free.
      http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org
      http://scottishrepublicans.myfreeforum.org/

  11. Morag, put your knives down and show us how should be done.

  12. Morag, you have hit several nails on the head several times. The UK state and it’s agencies would not be doing there job if they had not infiltrated the SNP and all it’s channels many decades ago. It is what the UK are renowned for down the centuries, helped very successfully by legions of Scots. You can bet your bottom dollar that every single piece of strategy and vital information ends up in London almost as it is decided by the SNP. The Scottish Office is simply another arm of that as we can see from the hapless blundering of it’s many leaders over the years. Carmichael is simply another usefull idiot. Cameron is well briefed on the SNP even before the SNP are.

    Your observations on Yes Scotland are also correct. BJ was dreadfull, you can only surmise it was meant to be thus. You could see from his body language during interviews that he was not comfortable with what he was doing, as he was living a lie. He will slip seamlessly in to another well pensioned well paid job as a reward. Job done, Scotland back in it’s box humilated once more.

    The road to our independence is going to be a long long painfull one. Painfull in as much as we are going to have to swallow many disapointments as we have just suffered. We are going to have to suffer the knowledge that we are being conned and manipulated by powers that are indeed out with our reach, and of whom we yet know nothing. The Queen her self admitted such a thing. There are groups and units operating for the state but yet not under the control of the state, deniables who answer to no one. We saw some of that over the Grangemouth scandal.

    There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Murphy is just one of these shadows. His egg stunt was as pathetic as it was blatantly obvious it was a false flag. He is no more than a proffesional agitator in the same mould as Foulkes. What on earth do you have to do at University for 9 years and not graduate? There are many more.

    This next phase we are about to enter leading to May will I believe be even dirtier than the last phase, as the SNP pose a real threat now to Westminster if they can take 20 + MPs there. The emergence of the master of Black Arts, Comical Ali McTernan on to the stage after he tried his hand in Australia, is significant. He was even to extreme for them. And was booted out. His simple modus operanda is “attack attack attack,” he will be a wingman for Murphy a perfect matching set.

    As to the BBC they may as well change their logo to MI5 Scottish Brigade. It is just do blatantly obvious what they are. MI5 have tp approve all BBC appointments. Broadcasting is not devolved for very good reasons. The MSM is owned by big money also.

    Having said all of that there is no doubts in my mind that the Independence of Scotland will happen, or at least we will be as independent as we can be in this interconnected world. it is now inevitable as the grass roots campaign has begun to grow faster and faster. Plus 80,000 SNP members is very significant, if the SNP can keep them all on board.

  13. We moved the pro-electorate from low 20% to 45%, and as expressed by Nigel above,and yes fehvepehs a ” doon the pub” analysis isn’t helping. I respect Morag and her concerns and I too did comment on the swift exit by Blair Jenkins following the referendum, but then we haven’t heard or seen much of Blair McDougal either.

    I had my mind loaded with the facts and figures – it was my line of work way back – but so many times I noted the bewildered look in peoples’ eyes when you talked to them. “Do you know what is a deficit and what is a debt? There just the same.” ,was a so often response.”Are you concerned about NHS privatisation? What about it?Trident? Food banks? Scotland is an exporting country, oil, gas, electrical power,food and beverages, how on earth should we have children living in poverty? I just think we’re better together.Why? I just think so”.

    I’d reckon about 25% of the electorate are dyed -in-the-wool Unionists that leaves some 35% who need to be persuaded over to independence. It is possible many now regret voting No, I know a few who have admitted so, but there is a big chunk that need to be shaken out of their apathy and arguably, indifference.
    However we need just 6% of the 35% to win next time. nicola Sturgeon’s proposal on each of the four nations having a veto on the EU referendum result is a stoater, should lead many to first principle thinking on politics in the UK.

    So it’s just half-time, and the match officials are homers. We have moves and tactics we didn’t employ in the first half. Reminds me of when I played sport, football then rugby. When it became clear the ref was a homer, I adopted the tactic of handing the ball to an opposition player for a throw-in even when it was obvious ours. Often did the trick with spectators, and then the ref.

  14. When it became clear the ref was a homer, I adopted the tactic of handing the ball to an opposition player for a throw-in even when it was obvious ours. Often did the trick with spectators, and then the ref.

    Smart thinkin Barrie!

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