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Just a couple of thoughts to calm my nerves…are we really that close? I was wondering about the No messaging after the disastrous PatronisingWoman – and her defenders like Margaret and Johann – and the I Love My Family slogans which made me say: Duh! Yeah, me too…AND?

I think there are two constituencies they are failing with. The first is the key group of the election, the non-Nationalist Yessers.

The language of No has been to damn the SNP and Alex Salmond and aim all their propaganda at them while simultaneously spreading terror among Don’t Knows. But what have they said to the key group – the people of all parties and none who are not SNP but who nevertheless want independence? To them there is nothing tailored except an unconvincing Wait for Labour to Get In. It is as though their hatred of the SNP has blinded them to the hard fact that they can’t get the Nationalist vote so there’s little point in banging on about it and anyway, non-Nationalists who vote SNP for Holyrood have lost their fear of the party and certainly of the leadership which they see as far superior to the opposition.

This group is roughly double the SNP support in this referendum and yet does not relate to the party, does not call itself nationalist and will return to voting for Unionist parties for Westminster – if there’s a No. They are mostly Labour but have lost their fear of independence and have seen enough of Salmond and Sturgeon in action to get their measure. They deprecate their own leadership yet might respond to a sincere and winning case of a reformed Union.

What do you say to them? Well, the answer of course is Devo Max. These are the same people – along with a rump of Nationalists and a dash of Unionists – who would be the core supporters of a Second Question and who, when denied it, were so scunnered with Westminster that they will vote for the most radical change of all. They have been disenfranchised and have been offered nothing from the Unionist parties that convinces them it is worth voting No for – no agreed powers, no all-party understanding on delivery, indeed no real powers at all, only tax-raising with a consequential funding cut. So dismal have the parties been in their defence of Union that many in this group don’t believe they will deliver anything after a No. If Yes wins this, they are the key group which will bridge the gap between the Nationalists and the Don’t Knows. They were morally on the No side but were brushed off by the refusal to countenance a face-saving second question and the Union is now paying the price for its arrogance.

The other constituency is one they can’t control- the virulently anti-Scottish grassroots of England which sees Scotland as a threat to the mythical England/Britain to which they adhere. For every Paul McCartney there is an England-for-the-English Dave exploding over comment threads about spongers, whingers and cowards who are worthless, benefits-dependant, backward and ungrateful. F**k Scotland. F**k Independence, says one Twitter Twit today.

In the rush to condemn cybernats, the No campaign and their media agents have missed one of the most telling manifestations of real feeling – the intolerance of England, both the achingly superior middle classes and the disgruntled working class who have been fed an unrelenting diet of one-sided, ill-informed commentary about Scotland and the constitution. They have no understanding of how funding works, how their own country operates and appear wilfully blind to the economic ruination of the UK and the dismal quality of life compared to their European neighbours. This is blind patriotism as self-delusion. But they have pride in their ignorance and relish the chance to display a brute resistance to the enlightened challenge Scotland affords them.

Of itself that isn’t a campaign message, merely a background hum. But it leeches through into the bigot pages of the Mail and Express where commentators pick up on the emotions and feed the beast by repeating them. The right-wing backbenches in turn respond with their own Gilbert and Sullivan bellicosity and this in turn is reported in the mainstream. This is where it matters because this anti-Scottish  rancour is just that – anti-Scottish. It fails to distinguish between the Scottish Nationalist who threatens their England and the average Scot at least 50 per cent of whom on current evidence prefer the Union. So in its field of fire it cuts into Unionist Scots too who are obliged to read wounding, angry pro-British venom and realise they themselves are the targets.

These partisans are not political, they are racist and brand all of us, even the English-orientated and Unionist among us, as essentially the same.

It is a steady drip-drip of undiluted anti-Scottish hatred that provokes pity and its own backlash in defence of a wider Scotland. Unionists prone to waver swallow this gruel with difficulty and ask themselves if this really the country they want to be.

These are two examples of the wheels within wheels that might explain why, for all its unquestioning loyalty from the media, NO is grinding painfully to an end.

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  1. Here’s all the evidence required to confirm this,

    https://twitter.com/BritNatAbuseBot

    • Dr JM Mackintosh

      Genuinely shocked – I had to give up after a couple of pages.
      Telegraph is mild compared to this.
      Definitely not for the faint hearted.

    • Optimistic Till I Die

      I received my first taste of anonymous on line abuse when I was a research fellow at Dundee University many years ago from an unidentifiable fellow researcher. It shocked me but was extremely mild compared to what is on line in this thread. Surely it is time either
      a) the authors had to identify who they were
      b) abusive swearing was automatically deleted – that, of course, would leave many of the morons who tweet with nothing to say
      c) there was a public order offence related to on line abuse.

      It seems clear that extreme English nationalists (probably better described as the poorly educated English underclass plus a few better educated but xenophobic individuals) are psyching themselves up to cause trouble. I have also been told recently by a well educated individual who, prior to retiring, was at senior management level that he would be glad to get rid of us (Scots). As it was a family gathering, despite the nasty edge to his voice, I never followed it up but he seemed, despite his ability to function a managerial level, to hold the view that Scots were spongers and he would be better of if Scotland seceded from the Union. I guess some of the English media does, as you say, pander to such individuals and reinforces their prejudices,

      Whilst Scots now have the confidence in themselves and their nation to take the step to Independence, the little Englanders who did their best to talk down Scots when I was a child seem to have lost theirs (despite still bellowing Rule Britannia whenever possible) and can only lash out in frustration. Heaven help all of us if UKIP do more than nudge the Tories and Liberals rightwards.Fortunately, having retired I’ll have to luxury of being able to return to Scotland along with my English wife and Anglo/Scottish children in the hope of discovering an island of sanity. However it is worth remembering there are masses of similar bigots (usually associated with football clubs) in Scotland and it will be worth heeding Alex Salmond’s request to avoid confrontations of any kind in the period leading up to the 18th.

    • ‘Free prescription Free University education. ALL paid for by England’s taxes’ (direct quote) was my favourite! The complete admission that we, along with the rest of Britain (except England) don’t pay any taxes! Doesn’t it make you want to run away and hide your head for shame? This is comic book stuff that DC Thomson can use in next year’s Beano, coming from the mouth of Desperate Dan who had just finished eating all the cow pies! The old colonial attitudes of these comments is apparent and as a member of the first colony, I believe an end to colonial rule over my country with full sovereign power to the people is paramount to our well being. This cannot be challenged. On the 18th we, as a nation will show our belief at the polls thereby showing all who made these comments how much we’re listening. YES for Scotland, no to old politics, Scotland out of Europe

      • Don’t know why but I am still getting annoyed by the dire reaction of politicians and broadcasters in England to the looming referendum earthquake. George Osborne rushing out more proposals for devolution after postal votes have been cast. Listened to news on Classic FM earlier – not one mention of the referendum. Labour publishing proposals for reform of employment tribunals instead. Hello? Is there anyone out there? I think I am annoyed because I will continue to be governed by people who couldn ‘t feel a political pulse no matter how fast it was racing.

  2. “NO is grinding painfully to an end”

    More of a car crash I’d have said.

    There is going to be huge shock in England on the 19th.

    I look forward to rebuilding relationships on a equal footing, no longer “second class brits” as we have long been considered by many in England.

    Bring it on.

  3. x-sticks, I agree with your post except I would regretfully add that many in Scotland also regard us as “second class Brits”, mainly our Labour/LibDem MPs! Unfortunately there are also many among us, mainly of the Union supporting football tribal bigots who follow the 4 big teams of Glasgow and Edinburgh, who are content to BE second class Brits!

  4. I will be glad when we vote for independence in 2 weeks time for many reasons but pretty high on that list will be no longer having to put up with the patronising arrogance from the British state,it’s supporters and press pack.
    The anti Scottish propaganda is what the British state has resorted to in the past when it wanted public support for policies which were essentially unpopular (“Your country needs you” and so on).
    The British press has been exposed as an organ of the British state and prepared to print anything which serves the state interest,whether true or false and surely must be a wake up call to people who will remain under it’s baleful influence.
    We will show the people living in the rUK that there is an alternative to a political system designed,by and for an elite which pays lip service to the principles of democracy.
    The propaganda was aimed at preserving this system and nothing to do with what is best for the people of Scotland.
    Too late to spring any rabbits out of the Unionist devolution hat,the postal votes have gone out and we have what we have.
    Thanks Derek.

    • lastchancetoshine

      “will be no longer having to put up with the patronising arrogance from the British state,it’s supporters and press pack. ”

      I think that may hang about for quite a few years yet, every little hiccup will be set upon with ‘we told you so’ glee.

      • I agree that the British state’s supporters in the media will still be around, like the bad fairies at the christening, after a yes vote, ill-wishing every enterprise and cackling over every disagreement, conjuring up division wherever they can. We should have in place, though, a new media, with the likes of Mr Bateman and others to counter their baleful influence.

        • There is sure to be a reaction after the referendum against all those in the media and politics who have demonstrated a clear wish to thwart Scotland’s right to self-determination.
          Just how that manifests itself will be interesting to see.

          I know what I’d like to do with them
          but I’m not going to say here.

          • It is very likely that the newspaper industry in a future Scotland will be so reduced in appeal that it simply disappears.

            The BBC is already card marked and will have no place here other than as a supplier of drama, nature, wildlife and entertainment programs that we can buy in.

            Those who have been less than objective in their presentation and journalistic skills will be struggling to be accepted at any significant level.

  5. Derek, you raise two issues, firstly the lack of a devo-max option and secondly the significant amount of anti-Scottish predudice in England. Is the second perhaps part of the explanation for the first?

    Simply increasing the powers of the Scottish Parliament to devo-max levels would leave us with the West Lothian Question on steroids, and would leave Westminster able to claw back those powers unilaterally. To work well in the long term, devo-max would need to be implemented as some kind of federal system, with radical changes to the UK constitution which would surely have to be approved by either a UK-wide referendum or seperate referendums in each part of the UK.

    I do not believe that the English electorate would give their approval, partly because there does not seem to be much taste for constitutional change in England, but partly because there are a significant number of English voters whose attitude would be “Why should we change our constitution, based on hundreds of years of tradition, just to suit the Scots?” – although no doubt they would put it less politely.

    Imagine the situation where Scotland has voted for devo-max and England has vetoed the possibility of a proper federal system. Westminster would be faced with a very difficult choice. They could tell the Scots that they cannot have what they voted for because the English will not allow it, and risk the resulting resentment causing a surge in support for the SNP, or they could cobble together an unsatisfactory compromise which will probably fall apart within a few years. This is why I believe that devo-max, however attractive it might seem as a compromise solution, has never really been a viable option.

    • Dr JM Mackintosh

      Agree with you Les, Devo-Max would just have led to independence in the long run as it would not have been workable. It is the same reasons why we have never had a federal system and never will.

      It is also why Devo-Max was not on the September ballot paper.

      Only one option left – Yes for Indy.

    • This was much what Sir Tom Devine concluded when he acknowledged that Devo Max or Devo More were not real options any more as all it would do would be to alienate the English and frustrate the Scots. Just prolonging the agony.

      Of course underlining all this is the acknowledgement that we England and Scotland are diverging in interests and valued. We didn’t need devolution when we all basically agreed.

  6. Then of course there will be the aftermath. In the event of a no vote, both parliament and media have made it perfectly clear that Scotland will be in for a hard time. This of course will still lead to independence, but in a fashion far less palatable than our current referendum.

    And what happens if, as we hope, there is a YES vote? I suspect the rUK electorate may eventually have some questions to put to HMG and the collective UK media. In the event of a YES win those questions will range from ‘just how did you get it so wrong?’, to flat out accusations of ‘but you told us…’. Worse, imagine if in the event of a YES win overtures are made during negotiations about a sterling zone or if the EU renegotiation goes swimmingly and Scotland’s EU recognition doesn’t even touch the sides? Imagine if there is confirmation of the suspected massive oil finds on Claire ridge and the Atlantic basin. Can you imagine the rUK electorate’s reaction? And there wouldn’t be a party leadership or mainstream title, or broadcaster left unscathed.

    They set a stall out and gambled that their size would overwhelm the YES campaign. Now its too close to call, and things are beginning to look grim for BT. As I say though, their strategy of fear, uncertainty and doubt was their own choice and that includes the decision to dump devo max and deliberately disenfranchise a good third of the population. We’ll soon find out how that strategy went down with the Scottish electorate.

    • I can’t see them ever saying, ‘We got it very wrong’. Some on the left will acknowledge that, but not otherwise.

    • I’m thankful devo max was discarded. It would only have muddled minds more and we certainly wouldn’t be where we are now. AS knew this. He knew exactly what he was doing. A wise man with a wise deputy.

      • Even had Devo Max been on there it was only ever going to postpone the inevitable. The next war, the next bad FO decision or the first time a power was reclaimed or revoked…

        It would also have caused electoral and constitutional difficulties amongst the English electorate too for obvious reasons. Regions demanding more autonomy and seeing no difference between themselves and a nation partner (to many we are still seen as little better than a.n. other region of the UK), would have grown more numerous and pressing. Still as an option it had to be on the table, it was the only democratic thing to do. That none of the Westminster parties wanted to champion the cause of a federalised UK, including incredibly the Libdem leadership, was entirely their choice.

        All of this is now by the by. Two weeks today, people have a choice to make. Continue to place trust in the Westminster system of government or to place trust in themselves to hold future Scottish governments to account?

  7. Billy Bragg’s Herald article should be made compulsory reading for them, although many will have limited literary skills.

    I am off for the weekend with lovely in-laws in Oxfordshire but am dreading them bringing up our Referendum since their genuinely – held views are so racist and partisan that I find myself unable to have any level of debate on this god-awful UK society we live in.

    • Here’s a couple of Qs for your in-laws (or any English person willing to listen to you).

      1. What is it about being British that you really like?
      2. How / where do the Scots come into these things i.e. the things that you really like about being British?

      It’s not a guaranteed win – but I think it will get people thinking and perhaps kick-start the process of emerging from the English imperial bubble. I wouldn’t have escaped from this bubble had it not been for Yes voters like the people who comment here and elsewhere. So thank-you. I owe you one.

  8. What’s this? You’ve nicked my drum, Derek!

  9. Dr JM Mackintosh

    I have been on the Telegraph Indy comments pages and it is quite sad – really some real vicious bile from both sides. The Union has been destroyed by the negative portrayal of Scotland by the English MSM which has nothing to counter it in England.

    It has been very destructive on both sides and it will take a long time to recover – but recover it will.

    We need to vote Yes to get out of this – I have real dread about the consequences of a No vote.

    Polls are going our way – 250,000 WBB hitting the streets, undecided friends converted to YES everyday.

    Derek – We are going to win this!

  10. great incisive piece as per usual- but I must make a proviso for the reactionary Anglo-malcontents you mention in the Express, Telegraph, Mail etc, as these sorts are multiplying at an exponential rate in the petri dish of the Guardian comments section- this is pretty much a blanket anti-Scots sentiment that hurdles all demographic classifications…unfortunately.

  11. Any wanna-be ‘democratic minded’ Southerner who dutifully ignored the glaring deficit caused by the out of balance UK system favouring Westminster for 307 years without a redressing whimper, has my contempt.
    This surely cannot be a ‘Union’.
    On the industrial front, at one time I was working piecework on nightshift in a subsidiary of Dunlop, producing more per shift than those in Liverpool – using the very same machinery. Needless to say the Southerners were being paid much more.
    The military years followed the same pattern.

    Enough!

  12. lastchancetoshine

    A good summation Derek, except for one thing:

    ” and will return to voting for Unionist parties for Westminster – if there’s a No.”

    for many of us, there is no going back, war stopped me voting Labour, last election I voted Lib Dem (Dohh!), there is no viable left of centre, I’ve done with tactical voting to try and not have the tories and from now will just vote for whoever I think would best represent us regardless of whether they seem to have a chance of winning. I’m pretty sure I’m not alone.

    • After a YES vote the SNP will need to refocus, as will the other parties. The SNP will have lost its main plank and will need to campaign on the basis that it has done a better job than its predecessors.
      The other parties will have to reorient in respect of where their loyalties lie and will have to get used to not taking orders from London headquarters. There will be a return to Left/Right/Loonie fringe politics, I suppose. However, there is a real prospect of smaller parties having more influence and giving democratic representation to Christians, for example. Maybe even a Government of National Unity. The prospects are untrammelled.

      • After we changed the voting system in NZ from FPTP to MMP there was a somewhat chaotic re-ordering of politics and parties that took some time to settle down. Even now a former king-maker 3rd party is poised to get back into parliament after being ejected and Kim Dotcom is funding an insurgent party by piggy backing on an established radical Maori party (their seat makes it easier to get over the threshold).

        After the change Libertarians from both Labour and National (Tories) left and formed the ACT party. It is unclear if they will get back in as their leader was convicted of not declaring a campaign donation and disbarred. Said donation was from Dotcom and the revelation of it was ‘payback’ for services not rendered.

        All those sorts of things could happen after a Yes vote. All the parties could schism with new grouping formed from offshoots. Entirely new parties could form and find themselves kingmakers. We are poised to find ourselves living in Interesting Times. I cannot wait.

        Under PR if you can get an electorate seat that makes it easier to get list MSPs elected as well. So if general elections were PR the Green election in Brighton would have elected colleagues from the list. Then there’s the Margo solution which was innovative but won’t scale like an electorate seat will.

        I predict our politics are about to get more colourful and not just in the rosettes worn (though we can repurpose some in use just in England).

  13. Dr JM Mackintosh

    No going back…

    Lib-Dem are finished – 1 perhaps 2 MPs but could be a wipe out.
    Labour – who is going to vote red Tory. They will lose a lot of seats.
    Tory – they may find a resurgence as the last Unionist party of old.
    UKIP – definitely will be on rise with a No.

    Things will never “return to normal” with a No vote

    • There was a poll a couple of months ago that asked party voting intentions for the GE next year in the event of a No and the SNP’s vote increased enormously. Don’t assume all those Yes voting Labour voters will go back home after a No vote.

      SNP majority at Holyrood plus an SNP majority of Scottish MPs is a powerful statement that we want another referendum. And what if the SNP, with liberal decline, holding the balance of power at Westminster after a No vote. What do you think they will ask for in return for support?

      Can you imagine little Englander fury if the SNP form part of the government at Westminster?

  14. Many former Labour voters I know are turning to the Greens or SSP. Some are also voting SNP.

    I think if there is a Yes vote then there will definitely be new parties formed out of the Yes coalition around RIC and Commonweal. I also suspect that the rump of decents in the Scottish Labour Party around Labour for Independence might form or rather, resurrect, the Independent Labour Party.

  15. I suppose what you really meant though was how they would vote in a general election next year? I suspect that if we have voted Yes then they might well vote SNP in order to have the strongest hand possible at Westminster during the negotiation period. It’s doubtful if any new parties would be ready to field Westminster candidates.

  16. Take a look at :Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive: BBC Scotland and the Labour Party

    http://lenathehyena.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave-when-first-we-practice-to-deceive-bbc-scotland-and-the-labour-party/

    Perhaps this explains the attitudes at BBC Scotland.

    • Fabulous and breathtaking by the BBC. Have shared.

    • I think the word to describe the BBC/Labour love-in (and it’s probably happening to a greater extent in London than it is in Scotland) is ‘incestuous’ or, if you’re feeling generous, ‘nepotistic’. A government with balls would prevent anything like this happening in any part of the public sector, regardless of which party benefits from the cronyism, but we don’t have politicians with balls or morals.

    • An interesting article. Of course it leaves out Ken, because Ken’s connections aren’t Labour. Ken’s connections are Tory. Tory as in daddy, Sir Albert McQuarrie, quondam MP for East Aberdeenshire/Banff & Buchan 1979-87. Who did Sir Albert lose his seat to? Why, it was the BBC’s favourite bogey-man, Alex Salmond. So even though Ken’s connections are Tory ones, there may well be fellow feeling with the friends of Labour about certain people.

    • Steve Asaneilean

      And it doesn’t even mention the Wark/Clements/McConnell link…

      • Although Lena the hyena says the article isn’t exhaustive, it seems a bit surprising that it doesn’t mention such an obvious link as Wark/Clements/McConnell, as Kirsty Wark is one of the first names most people think of when considering the unhealthy links between Labour and the BBC anywhere in this kingdom.

  17. The BT mob should be actually called the’NO HOPE CAMPAIGN’

  18. Interesting that the Six o’clock News on the BBC tonight included a segment where Jim Murphy (on the trail of the lonesome quine, or something) re-iterated not only the red herring on currency but also the baseless scare story on pensions. (Clue: pensions are contracts. That’s it.)
    What interests me is that Murphy and his ilk (Darling) can come out with flat out lies and there is no mechanism to stop them. We have seen some serious lies told in Westminster and to the people, and some at least of the “don’t knows” must realise that we can put a stop to it by leaving Westminster.
    There was also a short interview with Salmond who was at his calm and sensible best.

  19. I didn’t want a Devo Max question on the ballot paper as it would not have stopped the Independence question rising again in the future when everyone began to see what a different path we were on from rUK. The 2010 General Election debates on TV made that so patently obvious already in Health, Justice, Education which were already devolved. A good part of the discussions during the debates in these areas did not apply for us. I also felt a lack of Devo Max on the ballot paper would push those who favoured it towards Yes as they were obviously dissatisfied with the Status Quo. It would then only have been a matter of time till Devo Max dissatisfied them

    As for the Anti-Scottish sentiment from rUK, I cannot blame the people, only those who have continually fed misinformation to the people. They will need to unravel that after we leave. It is then that it will dawn on the English just what we have been contributing as I think rUK may be up shit creek without a paddle after our departure.

    Of all the parties in the No Campaign, Labour should have realised that a negative, scaremongering campaign would be defeatist. Did they learn nothing from what happened in the 2011 Holyrood Election from using the same tactics. I believe that it is not just NO that is grinding painfully to its end, but also the Scottish Labour party. I think they have just signed their own death warrant. Those who always voted Labour unthinkingly have had their eyes opened, are moving on and will not be turning back.

    • When we get a currency union there will be much less economic pain, allowing the rUK population to maintain their slumbers for a while. While we build up our currency reserves from our positive balance of payments to the point where we can mint a Scottish currency.

      Mind you the removal of North Sea oil receipts from Westminster to Holyrood will hurt. The West Coast oil bonanza will take time to come to fruition. How long will depend on whether in the negotiations exploration can be negotiated while Trident is being removed instead of having to wait until it is gone.

      Once we have minted our currency and so removed the oil and our balance of payments from the Sterling Zone and the oil bonanza just builds, then the anger will come but by then it will be muted. It depends though. IF rUK heeds the lessons and uses the time during CU to invest in exporting actual stuff and growing the economy other than through a housing bubble then we can leave Sterling without causing too much pain. If they choose to continue as now the pain will be their lookout. It won’t be as though they weren’t warned. The CU cannot last forever, that much is clear. As our economies diverge the stresses will increase and increase.

  20. Well said Derek, however it’s my own experience that anti-Scottish racism runs deep in England. I remember a friend of mine who was in the Royal Navy from the 1960’s-1980’s once telling me that when they were sailing to Scotland a senior officer remarked “we are going to poxy Jock Land”.

  21. Talking about Patronising Woman, could this be Patronising Woman – The Sequel

    Welcome Better Together – your starter question.
    Name two place names in England that start with the letter ‘C’

    Eh let me think…Oh yes ……Cumbria and Kent

  22. OMG —-Now I’ve caught the ‘dumb’ virus.
    Forgot to post the link

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HtBoDK494Y

    Geez

  23. Thks Justin – just watched and totally swung-over to NO – I DON’T THINK!

    • Don’t forget to include the oil around the Firth of Clyde!

      Untouchable before the nuclear subs and Trident are removed.

      • At least why know why DC paid his flying visit to Shetland a couple weeks back. They couldn’t sit on this report forever. 😉

  24. It appears that Westminster has decided they don’t need to change their strategy of scaring voters because they have calculated that there isn’t enough Undecided/Don’t Know voters left for YES to win with as long as NO can continue to scare and hold on to those core NO voters that they have had all along.

    This is why Project Fear has tried to smear the YES campaign with their Big Lie about “intimidation”, and continued with their Big Lies over currency and the EU and pensions in recent days.

    The YES campaign know this which is why pushing forward Patrick Harvie and Elaine C Smith at last night’s debate in order to demonstrate that the YES campaign is a broad based church and not just AlicSammin and “Nationalists” was so important.

    It is also why it is imperative that YES supporters re-double their efforts to convert the soft NO vote at the edges of the NO core vote, to vote YES.

    • lastchancetoshine

      I have to admit, BT’s Logic defeats me. Aren’t the very people they have scared into voting no the same people who are most likely to be scared of voting at all for fear of the fictional baying mobs? or perhaps the fear of financial stability is a different type to the fear of physical intimidation, perhaps they are going for the stirring bravado, plucky Brit angle, it’s a risky strategy.

  25. I’ve just received a leaflet through the post from Better Together.
    Front page says “the facts we need for our biggest decision” . Facts are welcome, let’s open it and see.
    Headline “By staying in the United Kingdom…we have better public services”. I have to take issue with this, even if only with the grammar. As this is an implied future there can be no facts, only predictions. Had it said “because we are in…” then it might be fact if it could be backed up, by figures, statistics or even some decent market research.
    There is a little illustration of two piles of coins, “public spending UK £11381″, public spending Scotland £12629” and goes on “As part of the UK we have far higher spending than the rest of the UK. Experts agree that going it alone would put our schools & hospitals at risk.”

    Firstly, it is interesting that the comparison UK/Scotland sets Scotland apart from the UK. They should have said “rest of the UK”. So comparison is not clear, i.e. does the UK figure include Scotland?
    Secondly, this is only partly linked to NHS and schools spending. The difference in spending is not simply because of the NHS/schools as seems to be implied but relates to all expenditure.
    Thirdly, it does not say that tax revenue from Scotland is higher that from the rest of the UK, per capita. Rather an important fact to leave out.
    Who are the “experts”: no names, no links, no references?

    More stuff follows on the next page on higher mortgage rates, no jobs for shipyard workers, and higher prices in the shops for food and other things.
    These are being presented as facts when they are not. In essence they are lies. It is a pity that material such as this is not subject to proof.

    The opinions of Archie MacPherson and a TV actress I’ve never heard of are quoted. That will persuade me, though…

  26. The Polls we know are a rough guideline taken from a variety of cross-sections, some fair and impartial and others quite biased through human interpretation of provided responses or CEO alignment that leans towards Better Together and therefore can at best, be considered selective, if not dubious in their targeted audience..

    One thing is for sure and from my own personal experience, Polls are unlikely to be balanced as being fully impartial. They are also greatly focused on telephone based responses. In no way can they be representative of the wide cross section of the entire Scottish Population and there are undoubted members of the less affluent parts of Scotland that would never be contacted by Polling organisations by telephone or other means. Chunks of these important people from less affluent areas are increasingly unlikely to be No voters – many voting for the first time for their own personal freedom and an opportunity of a better life.

    With recent polls coming in at around. 47% for YES – we have every reason to feel optimistic that this is more likely to be an under-estimate rather than the other way. Also in the remaining days to polling day, the momentum of the campaign is very much in the favour of YES. We also have the visit of Farage and the OO parade in Edinburgh that are very unlikely to increase the No vote.

    With more and more scare stories finally starting to be debunked and with the few recurring lies now being seen as pathetic threat and fear attempts from Better Together reported by the extremely biased media. And with recent televised debates delivering a more positive attraction towards Independence. And with the penny at last dropping and realisation that this is NOT a campaign to vote in Alex Salmond or the SNP but a once in a lifetime opportunity to create a much bigger opportunity. An opportunity of a new country, a new Scotland that everyone can vote for made up of all parties that can be represented including: Labour, Lib-Dems, Socialists, Greens, and even SNP.

    Then think positively, be proud and believe in yourself and your Country – there is every reason for great optimism and a much better future happening very soon.

    VOTE YES
    Kenny Higgins

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